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Sunday, March 14, 2010

FAITH, the New TULIP


Having switched denominations about two years ago (from Methodist to Reformed), I like to joke about giving up on the pursuit of holy perfection in order to join up with the totally depraved – a perfect fit for me! I am a newbie to Calvinism, but am intrigued to learn this new (for me) way of thinking. So, when my pastor began a class a few weeks ago on the 5 points of Calvinism, I signed up immediately. We are reading
“F-A-I-T-H Unfolded: A Fresh Look at the Reformed faith” by Jim Osterhouse who presents F-A-I-T-H as a new acronym for
T-U-L-I-P (a catchy way to help people remember what the five points of Calvinism are all about).

TULIP:

T = Total Depravity (we are so totally affected by our sinful nature that we are totally unable to contribute anything to our salvation)

U = Unconditional Election (God chose certain people before the world was created to be adopted in God’s family)

L = Limited Atonement (Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient to cover the sins of the world, but it is applied only to those whom God has chosen)

I = Irresistible Grace (We may hold God off for a while, but the Holy Spirit regenerates us so that ultimately, we cannot resist God)

P = Perseverance of Saints (Osterhouse says “believers persevere in their faith because God preserves his own people”)

The Reformed faith tradition gets a bad rap by those who summarize the entire belief system up in the five points/TULIP. It can be confusing and it is a narrow view of the Reformed faith. It is important to know that John Calvin did not invent TULIP. His writings are much broader in scope and Calvin himself did not utter the words “five points.” Calvin lived 1509-1564. The TULIP acronym was not developed until the 20th century – around 400 years later! It is based on the 1618-1619 Canons of Dort and even the Canons of Dort did not intend to give an extensive statement about the Reformed faith.

Looking at both TULIP and the Canons of Dort alone are still a narrow view of the Reformed faith. The Canons of Dort are only one of three (and potentially to be four) denominational Standards of Unity in the Reformed Church (RCA). We also acknowledge the Heidelberg Catechism and the Belgic Confession. And, because the Reformed church is "reformed and always reforming," we are considering the addition of a fourth document, the Belhar Confession. Even with the addition of this fourth standard of unity, the people of the RCA are quick to point out that the final authority in the Reformed faith is Holy Scripture and our faith is centered in Christ. These standards of unity help us clarify and give order to our thoughts. In his article, “Calvin’s Comeback? The irresistible Reformer,” J. Todd Billings expresses his opposition to New Calvinists who limit their faith system to TULIP by stating that “The New Calvinists pick the TULIP from the Reformed field, overlooking the flowers. There is much besides TULIP in this spacious field that has grown from the seed of God’s word.”

While it is still a narrow view of the Reformed faith, I think most will find the FAITH acronym easier to understand and more helpful than TULIP.

FAITH:

F = Fallen Humankind
A = Adopted by God
I = Intentional Atonement
T = Transformed by the Holy Spirit
H = Held by God

I am still wrestling with and trying to wrap my mind around Reformed theology, but I have to admit that I am surprised at how much of it I relate to. In particular, I resonate with an old hymn that Osterhouse includes at the end of his book on FAITH:

I sought the Lord, and afterward I knew
he moved my soul to seek him, seeking me;
It was not I that found, O Savior true;
no, I was found, was found of Thee.

55 comments:

  1. I really enjoyed your blog and I like the FAITH acronym a lot. I had a question about the Unconditional Election, though. I was wondering what your thoughts were on why, if God had only chosen certain people to adopt into his family, he would place more people on this Earth? I most certainly agree we are adopted by God, but I guess I have a hard time wrapping my mind around only some are. My next question is within the Calvanist faith, how does one know (or do they) if they are part of those chosen by God to receive grace? Thanks so much for your response,
    Phil

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  2. I too really enjoyed your blog, and I have to admit that I like the FAITH acronym much better than I like the TULIP acronym, but since I was raised as a United Methodist I still have some questions. First I would like to say that I agree with Fallen Humankind, Adopted by God, Transformed by the Holy Spirit, and Held by God. What I do not understand is the Intentional Atonement, I just cannot seem to wrap my mind around it. It makes me wonder why God would send His only son, Jesus Christ, to forgive all of our sins, if only a select amount of people were going to make it there anyway?
    Also I was wondering what was the hardest idea or belief for you to accept or agree with when you switcheed denominations?
    thank you,
    Sarah

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  3. Thank you, Phil and Sarah. Great questions! I understand about 50 or so students will be posting comments/questions, so I am going to wait until the others weigh in and then attempt to respond to everyone’s questions at once. Grace and Peace, Nola

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  4. Kelci StrombergMar 15, 2010 12:39 PM

    Along with my other two classmates, I enjoyed your blog as well. You must be a strong person to be able to switch denominations like you did. I honestly don't believe I could do that or if I tried I would have extreme difficulty. Like Phil and Sarah, I liked the FAITH acronym much better than the TULIP one. The FAITH one just seems much easier for me to really get. I was wondering what something is like for you though. Is it difficult to go from believing that everyone is promised eternal life if they live for God to believing that some are just unlucky and are doomed no matter what they do? That is the hardest part for me to understand. I've always been taught that you have to witness and live your life according to God's word and if you do, God will help you even more and thus you will enter into his kingdom someday. As I said, I really liked the blog but it's just really hard for me to understand that part of Calvinism.
    Thank you,
    Kelci

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  5. Bridget AshcraftMar 15, 2010 01:13 PM

    I enjoyed this blog very much. I do like the FAITH acroynm, TULIP is a little confusing. Calvinism in a way does make some sense to me in the fact that God already knows where people are going. The reason I think this is because, growing up I was told God knows everything, so if Gods knows everything then he already knows who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. It makes sense to me that way, but I don't know if I accept that its predestined, that its already set that way. The relgion its self seems very interesting and it's made me want to further explore it. I enjoyed your blog very much and I was also wondering if the switch you made was very hard for you?
    Thank you,
    Bridget

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  6. This blog was a very enjoyable read. I was curious as to what initiated your religious change from Methodist to Reformed? I was also wondering if you prefer newer Calvinism to the more ancient version of Calvinism? I agree that TULIP seems to limit the ideas of Calvinism, and I find the FAITH acronym easier to grasp. I too, like some of my classmates have mentioned, find it hard to know how to tell who has been chosen to receive God's grace or not? I admire your ability to made such a difficult conversion.
    Thank you,
    Laura Dalton

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  7. Thank you for the insightful blog. It is difficult to sum up such complex thoughts of John Calvin; however, I found both the TULIP and FAITH acronyms helpful. I've found the "eternal election" a hard concept to grasp, but I don't necessarily oppose it. The love of God exists in so many parts of scripture, and I think that Calvin's writings about this election can even fall back on these similar concepts and verses. It's just been taken to a level I'd never considered before, and this blog helped me to better understand these things.

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  8. I appreciate the approach that you have taken in your description of Calvinist thought and its contemporary relation to your personal faith, especially through sharing some of the basic examples of the doctrines of your own Church and its relation to Calvin. As many of the others have already commented, I, too, found the FAITH acronym kinder and more easily understood than the TULIP, and appreciate that you clarified that this is not the entire belief system of your own church or any church in the Calvinist tradition. This entire doctrine of predestination is not entirely unfamiliar to me, but is something that I struggle with on a very personal level. I appreciate your sharing of the FAITH acronym and information about the Reformed traditions, and I believe that this information will help many of us to better understand these beliefs.

    Thank you,
    Katie

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  9. Christine AzevedoMar 16, 2010 10:44 AM

    As most of the other students said, both the FAITH and the TULIP acronym are helpful in remembering the faith, but I was wondering what you are taught about unconditional election. I believe that it is true that God has the authority to select those who enter heaven and that it is through His gift of faith and His help alone that we are to attain salvation. However, I have grown up believing that God's mercy was so great that it is hard to believe that he chooses some people to be doomed. Does your reformed faith teach that most humans are elected to receive salvation or a select few?

    Thank you,
    Christine

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  10. Very Interesting Blog. I am still confused by TULIP and FAITH. I am very misdirected on religion and the all seem the same to me. So I was wondering how did you know that you weren't practicing the right form of Christianity for you? How did you know Calvinism was the perfect fit? Also, I really enjoyed how you expressed how you felt with an old hym. When I find hyms,songs, or quotes from the bible that explain how I am feeling or ways to help me through a situation, it gives me hope; which I find to be a blessing. Thanks for Your Blog

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  11. Rachael BailerMar 16, 2010 12:21 PM

    First of all I wanted to say that I think its very interesting that you changed religions when you had been brought up as a Methodist. What made you do that? I think that if I was brought up with something I wouldnt want to change, so I think that its courageous of you to change. I also wanted to say that the FAITH and TULIP acronyms are very helpful, being non denomination I sometimes find it hard to understand concepts of the church.

    Thank you,
    Rachael

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  12. Very interesting blog. I have never blogged before so this is very different and interesting for me. I have never heard the FAITH or TULIP acronym and they are both very interesting to me. I really like reading about the FAITH acronym. I think that it is very true and it is something I am going to think about more often when I am living life and having difficult times. I would have to say that I totally agree with it and I need to live by that more often and think about it when I am down. I think that your blog could not have come at a better time for me. I am having a hard week.

    Thanks,
    Kaylan

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  13. Emilly MedlockMar 16, 2010 08:19 PM

    After reading your blog, I would like to present some verses dealing with unlimited atonement as opposed to limited atonement. (using New Century Version)Starting with John 3:16, God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life. Romans 10:9-13 9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved. 10 We believe with our hearts, and so we are made right with God. And we declare with our mouths that we believe, and so we are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be disappointed." 12 That Scripture says "anyone" because there is no difference between those who are Jews and those who are not. The same Lord is the Lord of all and gives many blessings to all who trust in him,13 as the Scripture says, "Anyone who calls on the Lord will be saved."

    All of these verses use words such as anyone, whoever, and all. They aren't referring to anyone (of the chosen people) or whoever (of the chosen people), they mean ANYONE.
    We are all sinners, and it is the choice of the sinner (by declaring Jesus as Lord, and believing God raised Jesus from the dead) to be saved. Every single person has the option of salvation.

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  14. Rebecca FrashureMar 17, 2010 10:22 AM

    As many of my classmates, I also like the FAITH acronym much more than the TULIP acronym. The FAITH acronym makes much more sense to me. There are some things that I don’t understand completely about it. For example, I don’t quite understand how God only chooses certain people to go to heaven and then dooms the rest of them. Didn’t Jesus die on the cross for everyone’s sins? Why would he forgive people just to go back and doom them? I really did like the idea of being transformed by the Holy Spirit. I was wondering what was the most difficult part of converting denominations?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca Frashure

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  15. I really enjoyed the FAITH acronym a lot more than the TULIP acronym. I Feel like it is easier to relate to. I have never had any blog experiences before and didnt know what to expect, but i liked it. I was raised in the United Methodist Church so i can understand where switching theologies would be difficult. I believe that however small it may be, there is always something you can relate to and build off of that. What made you decide to switch denominations? and how did you go about doing it?

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  16. Cara SalisburyMar 17, 2010 01:03 PM

    I found your blog on this difficult subject very insightful. I was having trouble on the TULIP concept. I have never known much about the beliefs of Calvinists. The TULIP acronym seems more difficult to grasp than the FAITH acronym. I am glad that you included the FAITH one, it is helpful because its not as harsh. I am sure a lot of people find the idea of unconditional election frightening or hard to imagine. I know that not everyone is not going to go to heaven when they die. It is just hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that my destiny is already set no matter what I do. I like what you said about the Reformed church and how it is always reforming. I think that a lot of churches get in a rut and I think that this reforming is a good idea. I read your other blogs also and I found them all interesting. I really liked your idea about "spiritual housecleaning." Your information on the crucifix was also really helpful because I have never understood it. I am glad you find the time to post your blogs with all the stuff you have to do. Keep up the good work!

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  17. I really enjoyed the reading. The faith acronym seemed to come through more clear to me. Although I am not Calvinist I feel much more insight into the views and beliefs. My question is, however, in the F.A.I.T.H acronym is it still in support of predestination?

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  18. Bo Crites says...

    I find this blog interesting like some of the others on how you changed from being Methodist to Reform. I don't know much about Calvinism but the acronym's FAITH and TUPLIP gave me a little better insight on what the Calvinistic faith was about.

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  19. I would like to begin by thanking you for breaking the TULIP acronym down and finding an easier one to remember in FAITH. We just learned about TULIP in our class discussion today and I was definitely put off at first. But in your blog and through your description of the FAITH acronym I have been able to better grasp the idea. Calvin does have some pretty radical views so hearing that I am not the only one having difficulty understanding his different concepts is a comfort. I'll end in saying that I think it is wonderful that you have converted to something you really find intriguing. I hope that your faith will continue to grow as your knowledge does.

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  20. Brittany McHenryMar 17, 2010 05:59 PM

    I have to say that the blog was inspiring, and yet eye opening. I agree that FAITH is easier to understand and relate to than TULIP. I think that being broken down into simpler terms allow me to grasp onto the information much easier! By using FAITH instead of TULIP - have you found it easier to relate to it mentally, physically, emotionally? Or has it just gave you a better understanding of how many things you relate to? It is insightful to hear that you have converted! As your faith continues to have a broader spectrum, I am sure it is easier to pinpoint on high marks!

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  21. Cecily GoldizenMar 17, 2010 06:01 PM

    I find your blog very interesting, and it brings lots of questions to my mind. I'm hoping you will be able to clarify them for me if you don't mind. I come from a Pentecostal background (my father is an Assembly of God minister), these ideas of Calvinism and predestination are very foreign to me and I'm struggling with the idea of it. It's quite coincidental that we started talking about this subject in class because the Sunday School lesson two weeks ago was on this.

    The lesson posed the question, "Does being chosen and predestined show that God already has decided who will be saved or lost, blessed or cursed?" It answers by saying the themes of election are important in Paul's writings, but his teachings do not support the predetermination of an individual's eternal destiny. The basis for Paul's teaching is that God predestines eternal life to everyone who choses to ask for forgiveness of sin and lives for Him. God wants everyone to be saved, but God does not predetermine who chooses salvation. Each person makes that choice.

    Once we choose to accept salvation, we not only are made holy and blameless in God's sight, we are adopted as His sons and daughters. It is a relationship attained through the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is "to the praise of the glory of His grace" (Ephesians 1:6 KJV). It is because of God's grace, His undeserved favor toward us, that we are saved and brought into right relationship with Him and fully accepted as His children.

    To add to that, John 3:16 states that, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." And Romans 10:13 states, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Neither one of these verses say whosoever God has predestined, elected, or chosen. God does however know the end result, but it the result of our own choice, our free will.

    I don't mean for any of this to sound hostile or condescending in any way, I am truly intrigued by the differences between different churches. I would be extremely grateful to hear back from you! Thank you for allowing us all to participate with your blog!

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  22. I'm really interested in your statement about how the Reformed Church is "reformed and always reforming." I was raised in the United Methodist Church and have been struggling with some of it's traditions and teachings since I came to college. I think it's extremely important for faith communites and individuals to always seek for more and continue to grow. Problems arise when we get stuck in ruts, and I'm curious about your transition between churches. Do you think one is doing a better job than the other with being in a constant state of reform?

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  23. I want to thank you for posting your blog I enjoyed it and found it very enlightening. I guess I am like many others who have a difficult time with the idea of limited atonement. The one thing I worry about is when parishioners hear one part of a church's theology and that one part becomes a stumbling block for them. Like you and many others have stated the Reformed Church, or any church for that matter, is about more than just T.U.L.I.P. or F.A.I.T.H. However, my fear is that this stumbling block may cause those who have not accepted Christ to say to themselves, "I'm not worthy so I know God would never chose me." Do you see this resolved with the Irresistible Grace part of TULIP? Once again, thank you for posting your blog. May God bless you and keep you, and may your faith continue to grow each day by the grace of God.

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  24. My name is Jenny Davidson and I really took pleasure in reading this blog. It brought out interesting and important details of Calvinism. I know that you have read this comment a lot, but I also prefer the Faith acronym. This acronym made more sense to me and seemed more reasonable than the TULIP acronym. I also was surprised to see that the acronym TULIP had been written way after Calvin’s time. When comparing my religion with these acronyms, we believe that WE are given the choice to accept or reject God. My religion is solely based on faith. I agree with the L part of TULIP when it states that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but I disagree with the fact that it says that only Jesus’ elected people alone will be covered by his blood. Romans 8:32 states: “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us ALL”…

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  25. Although I find this blog to be very interesting, The TULIP concept is very hard to understand. As most other people said, the FAITH concept is a lot easier to grasp and seems to be the more logical one as well. Being raised up as a Christian, I have learned through the scriptures about how God gave his only son, Jesus Christ, to be crucified so we can be saved. It is very hard to understand why God would already have chosen certain people to enter into the kingdom of Heaven. All of us have the chance to enter into heaven, as he gave us the choice to make our own decisions. Calvinism is a very interesting subject that we are learning about in class, I enjoy learning about other teachings and trying to compare the likes and differences between them. But just as John 3:16 says that he gave his only son, and WHOEVER believes in him shall inherit into the kingdom of heaven, this comes straight from the Holy Bible, which I strongly believe in. Everyone has their own traditions and beliefs, and I acknoledge you for what you are doing with your blogs and expressing how you feel and what you strongly believe in. Thank you for reading my blog.

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  26. Although I find this blog to be very interesting, The TULIP concept is very hard to understand. As most other people said, the FAITH concept is a lot easier to grasp and seems to be the more logical one as well. Being raised up as a Christian, I have learned through the scriptures about how God gave his only son, Jesus Christ, to be crucified so we can be saved. It is very hard to understand why God would already have chosen certain people to enter into the kingdom of Heaven. All of us have the chance to enter into heaven, as he gave us the choice to make our own decisions. Calvinism is a very interesting subject that we are learning about in class, I enjoy learning about other teachings and trying to compare the likes and differences between them. But just as John 3:16 says that he gave his only son, and WHOEVER believes in him shall inherit into the kingdom of heaven, this comes straight from the Holy Bible, which I strongly believe in. Everyone has their own traditions and beliefs, and I acknoledge you for what you are doing with your blogs and expressing how you feel and what you strongly believe in. Thank you for reading my blog.

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  27. I really like it because its help me to understand Calvinism ideas. I really think that acronym of FAITH is useful and clear because I can related with the main idea. In contrast, TULIP's acronym is confusing and is not clear to me. I think Calvinism at some point can be true and I would supported. Also, I'm curious why did you change? It is a difficult decision, but good for you.
    Thanks,
    Marcela Torres

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  28. As many of my classmates are wondering, I am too curious as to what brought about your transformation from Methodist to Reformed? Was it because you agreed with it more than your previous religion and was interesting to you? Or was there something else?
    Something I definitely agreed with was that the acronym TULIP is very narrow and should not be used to “sum-up” the Reformed religion. It is to my understanding that those five points are not ALL it is about, and this blog helped me see that with the quote from J. Todd Billings which I enjoyed and found interesting. I also found the FAITH acronym much easier to understand, which seems to be the consensus of the class. The TULIP acronym was a little hard to figure out what was meant by each description of a letter/word, and the P still somewhat confuses me. And it also scares me because according to TULIP God always knows which people are saved and which are not and to not be able change that is really quite frightening!

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  29. Morgan O'BrienMar 18, 2010 01:27 PM

    I found your blog to be very insightful. I particularly found the FAITH acronym interesting in that it referred to atonement as intentional as opposed to limited. I think looking at both the TULIP and FAITH acronyms together paints a better portrait of the Reformed denomination.

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  30. As everyone else, I really enjoyed reading your blog. I find both the TULIP and the FAITH acronym to be both helpful and informative. Over all I would have to say I would chose the FAITH acronym because it's shortand clear to the point of where you can better understand Reformed Faith. Just curious as to why the change from Methodist to Reformed Faith? You say Reformed Faith is the "perfect fit" for you how so?

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  31. I am very intrigued with the acronym TULIP as well as FAITH. However, many have posed the questions that would clarify those questions I have as well, so I will read your reply post for those answers. What was extremely interesting to me was at the beginning of this post you talked about adding The Confession of Belhar within the Reform Church.I was wondering if you could clarify a statement in the Confession of Belhar for me. It states "that this unity must become visible so that the world may believe that separation, enmity and hatred between people and groups is sin which Christ has already conquered, and accordingly that anything which threatens this unity may have no place in the church and must be resisted." When I took a look at the verse from John that was attached at the bottom of the bullet point, the verse talked about unity and I understood the point a little better. What confuses me though is what may qualify as "anything which threatens this unity." I'm not sure whether this means other faiths or if this means political issues within the church or something else. I was hoping maybe you could clarify this for me. I also wondered what the biggest struggle was for you when switching over to Reformed Faith from Methodism. Thank You for your time.

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  32. Lauren KennedyMar 18, 2010 04:48 PM

    I really enjoyed reading this blog you have posted. I have never herd of the TULIP and FAITH acronyms before and it has inspired me to think about it more during my everday life. I was able to better understand what you were meaning because we are learning this same concept in class. I never really understood the Calvinism faith but now I am understanding it more now that i have read this blog.

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  33. As the great number of people have already discussed the FAITH acronym was much more helpful to understand than TULIP.
    John 3:16 seems to be very popular in refuting the limited atonement. I don't necessarily agree with the limited atonement either. It kind of sticks out in my mind that Calvinism is limiting salvation, that God's grace isn't sufficient enough for everyone or God is being stingy with His saving love. God longs to have a relationship with all of his people, He is constantly reaching out, He's always been there, it's just a matter if we humble ourselves and say "God, I can't do this by myself, I want you to be the Lord of my life, forgive me of my sins, come into my heart." And guess what?! He will! Good stuff! :)
    Thank you for your blog!

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  34. I think that it is very interesting how you changed denominations. I know that took a lot of passion and courage that a lot of people do not have. Some people growing up a certain way would not be prone to change. As with other people, i found to like the FAITH acronym better than the TULIP acronym. We are learning this concept in class and it is really helpful to making me understand. I am curious though to what lead your change?

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  35. I thought your blog was very interesting, I am trying to understand the views of Calvinism. I agree about TULIP and how it seems like it summarizes the entire belief system up in five points. The acronyms really made me think, and the U stuck out the most to me and how "God chose certain people before the world was created to be adopted in God’s family" that is a scary thought. I personally don't believe that, but it definitely broaden my views. I am very interested in the Calvinistic view and would like to learn more about it.

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  36. Danielle GainerMar 18, 2010 07:54 PM

    I really enjoyed reading your blog. Being a person who wants to reconnect with her Faith I admire you for changing your religion to something that fits you best. The TULIP and FAITH acronym were addressed and explained very well but I do have to agree with most of my classmates in saying the FAITH acronym is easier to grasp and understand. However, I do understand TULIP a little better. I just do not know how I feel about the predestination and the path of someones life is already chosen no matter what they do in life. Both being very interesting I would enjoy to keep learning more.

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  37. Heather MillerMar 18, 2010 08:08 PM

    Just as everyone else has said the faith acronym was much easier to understand and seemed more reasonable. One point I do not understand, and seems like many others dont as well, is the limited atonement. I grew up in a nondenominational church and was always taught that as long as you ask for forgiveness and believe Jesus Christ is your savior you will be a part of his "chosen" few. I do not agree so much with the limited atonement but I also had never heard about it before the Christian Traditions class. So it is very interesting to see other views. I would find it helpful if you could maybe elaborate a little more on the limited atonement even though it is not a major idea in Calvanism I would like to maybe understand it a little better.

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  38. Alexandra CampolongoMar 18, 2010 08:20 PM

    Before my Christian Tradition Class, I'll admit that I never really was as interested into faith as much as I should have been. In class I've learned enough information to keep me interested but not get my full attention. The idea of the TULIP and FAITH acronym has completely caught my eye. Although both acronyms are expressed ideally, I personally can connect with the FAITH acronym more fully. It gets to the point more quickly and is much easier to understand and respond to. I enjoyed your blog and Im interested to see what you have blogged in the past and what the future holds for you. Switching denominations is a huge accomplishment and decision, congratulations!

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  39. I thought your blog was very interesting. I really don't understand the views of Calvinism, but the acronyms helped me understand it a little better. The U in TULIP stood out to me about how God choses certain people before the world was created to be adopted in God's family. That is scary thought that you have no control over that decision, I personally don't believe that. I am very interested in learning more about reformed faith and the whole Calvinistic view.

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  40. I would first like to say that I enjoyed reading your blog like many of my classmates. I must have taken a lot of courage to switch from something that you grew up learning about and practicing. I am a believer in the importance of baptism and have been taught that when we are baptised this 'cleansing' washes away the stain of original sin. Though not completely absolved, we at least get the chance to make it to heaven with the grace of God and a little hard work. It must be relieving joing 'the totally depraved' intead of the pursuit of religious perfection...there has only been one perfect person in history and he left some big shoes to fill and the world in his debt. Keep writing. Greg vurro

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  41. I've had a relationship with Jesus for a few years, but I continue to be confused, frustrated, and fascinated with doctrinal differences in denominations. I don't currently (and probably never will) consider myself a part of a denomination. My frustration is rooted in the deep desire for a global church without division because of petty differences. I'd be interested to hear what value you (or any other student or reader) find in being a part of a denomination.

    As my classmates have said, I too have problems with limited atonement and predestination, but it's not an issue I feel strongly enough to argue for or against. Again, like my classmates, I can make more sense from the FAITH acronym than TULIP. I look forward to hearing your responses

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  42. Barry F
    Thank you so much for your time in sitting down and sharing your idea/understanding to all of us Ms. Nola. I was very confused thinking that Calvin came up with the idea of the Tulip acronym, and I have trouble agreeing with this. I just feel that if God already has who he wants saved or not or damned and not, then I feel as if the people following Calvinism shouldn't have judged each other from the jump off. I feel that no one can say who is saved and who isn't so why worry about the other person? How is that helping that person that thinks they are saved out? I just don't understand that. And as our professor said Calvin got his idea from the bible...but I just don't see God having who is saved and who is not. That would basically say he isn't even giving that person a chance to prove themselves. So the most devoted person on earth that is great and does anything wrong can have a possibility of being damned and not have an opportunity to not be. haha ok now I am just rambling but thank you for your time again, and good luck with your new religion!

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  43. I really enjoyed reading about this blog. I learned so many things about the beliefs of Calvinism. There were many great details given that helped me understand very easily. I personally go to a baptist church and my beliefs are that we as human beings have the choice to accept Jesus as our personal savior, that you must have faith and I liked to see how some think that Jesus chooses who will be followers or not. I also think the acronym TULIP contradicts its self because it talks about how Jesus died on the cross for us, and doesn't that mean for everyone? not just select individuals. Overall this blog gave me great insight about faith and tulip.

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  44. This blog was full of information and very informative. I really liked how you explained both the FAITH and TULIP acronym, although i found the FAITH acronym much more useful, informative, and gave overall better insight into Calvinism and your conversion from one denomination into another. It's really hard for some people who have been brought up or raised in one specific faith to change into another which leads me to the question: What made you ultimately make this change from one denomination to another? Also, this blog has been a great help for my overall understanding of what i'm currently learning in my Christian Tradition class and Calvinism. Thank you very much Nola!

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  45. This was a entertaining as well as informative piece. I especially like the comment about the Reform church constantly reforming. As a Catholic, I have had no previous experience with Calvinism, so this is all new to me. I find it great that you are defending the Reformed church by stating that it is not solely defined by the concepts of predestination and TULIP. A particular set of beliefs should not be condemned for one disagreeable concept. I completely agree that faith cannot be approached with a "narrow" view because that will never allow you to gain insight.
    Sam Watkins

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  46. I want to thank you for breaking these down. I have never heard of the TULIP idea and find it interesting. While I don't agree with everything that Calvin said I know that there are people that follow Calvin's teachings that don't agree with everything he taught either. I think it is important to look at different teachings so that I myself can grow in my own faith. This has most certainly gotten me interested in reading more about Calvin and his teachings.

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  47. The TULIP idea was a feature that I've never heard of before. Although I don't fully agree with some of Calvin's idea's I can respect and appreciate his beliefs and I can recognize and understand where's he's coming from though. I liked the blog about Calvin and his teachings and I would like to learn more to get a better understanding of how he thinks.

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  48. First off nice informative piece on TULIP and creative acronym in FAITH. Though I can understand this side of the argument free will makes more sense to me than predestination, which I am under the impression that both are implying. Without the choice, God is essentially damning people to Hell, which I personally cannot reconcile. Without the choice can we really chose to love God at all, and isn't that why we were created.

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  49. I appreciate your putting forward the two acronyms to explain the central doctrines of Calvinist soteriology (the Calvinist description of the way of salvation), The question of your title however, needs to be answered. I think it should be No. While I like what they have done to make things easier for 21st Century readers, the advantage of TULIP is it's unambiguous. Yes, I know it's not the best but take "Total Depravity" and "Fallen Mankind" for example. That mankind has fallen is clear, but does that imply that the fall included every part of our makeup? Not without further explanation. Total Depravity is likely to get you the opportunity for that explanation whereas Fallen Mankind is not.

    I guess my response boils down to: It's possible to interpret the expansions of the five letters in a Calvinistic way but it's also possible to interpret them non-Calvinistically as well.

    One other point. The problem with saying Christ only died for some and not all is that everyone assumes the worst. Why should we imagine God only chooses a few? Is it true that he will only accept those of our denomination? Is it true that we can tell those who are truly born again (for whom Christ died) infallibly? Why do we not allow the fact that Jesus showed us a God who seeks and saves the lost to color our view of the numbers? That is surely more honoring to God - and more likely to be true.

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  50. As i read this it made more sense then i would think. It is well explained and made a lot more sense then i thought. i was wondering more on how they came up with the points and faith

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  51. i found the blog very interesting. i too, liked the FAITH acronym better than the TULIP one. it made more sense to me and helped me to understand better. i enjoyed learning about predestination, though it is not what i believe in (i am Baptist). i think it would take a very strong person to be able to convert, and that is very inspirational.

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  52. Kaitaki, The F-A-I-T-H acronym is used in a 5 week study by Jim Osterhouse. In the study, he clearly explains each part, leaving no room for ambiguity. Although, you do make an excellent point in answering the title question as “no.” Even though many find F-A-I-T-H easier to understand (virtually all of the WV Wesleyan students thought so), I agree with you that without more in-depth explanation, it does leave room for people to understand it how they want to and that understanding may differ from Calvinism.

    Christ dying for some and not all – this seems to be the biggest apprehension people have about Calvinism. I am still trying to understand it myself. You pose some great questions. Thanks for stopping by!

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  53. Nola, The idea of particular (or limited) atonement is not that the value of the atonement is limited - Christ's death was sufficient for every single person (whoever they might be) to gain all the blessings of heaven because of the value of Christ's death. But that he died, specifically, for those that the Father had given him (John 17 gives us an awareness that he makes such a distinction).

    The word limited gives the impression to some that there will only be a few that will be saved - I don't believe anything in Scripture can be used to justify that impression. Nor was the term designed to give that impression as, no doubt, your lecturer has made clear.

    I hope this short post will be a help :)

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  54. Well hello, and thanks for this post! Your blog popped up while I was doing an internet search for this acronym for the use of the Belhar Implementation Task Force. I then noticed that you are seeking ordination in the RCA, so I thought you might be interested to know that a group of RCA people are looking in on your thoughts (and finding them helpful) as we do our work of integrating the Belhar Confession into the life of our denomination. The RCA being a rather small world, I'm sure we will bump into each other at some point along the line!
    Stacey Midge

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  55. Hi Stacey, thanks for stopping by and for leaving a note. I appreciate it! I am interested in reading the work your Task Force does. Grace and Peace, Nola

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